(I don’t know why now I have logged in with another identity. I don’t mean to mislead. It is only that I am not skillful enough with Disqus)
Look, John. I know I hit a nerve. I knew I was going to do it. And yes, my comment was deliberately provocative and trying to provoke a reaction. Not because I want to p*ss people off, but because I see you as people with good intentions, the people on my side, the people on the side of good. I would like to see you winning but I think that you self-sabotage. These are strong words, I know. But please bear with me until the end of my comment. English is not my native language and I am trying to express myself.
The comment was provocative but; IMHO, it was not offensive, because saying bad things about the Founding Fathers should not be offensive to a Christian. The Founding Fathers were, in the best of cases, some good dead politicians. But the reaction I got from you is like I attacked Jesus. You got offended. You tried to defend that these people preached equality while having slaves. Nobody tried to refute that, while preaching equality, they didn’t expand the vote to everybody. Or, that they rebelled against the king of England because of taxes, and then, they suppressed ruthlessly a rebellion against them because of taxes (the Whiskey rebellion).
Even if I am 100% wrong and you are 100% right, you could say that I am mistaken. If I had said that Caesar was a ruthless killer, you would not have got offended by this or would not have labelled my statement as «offensive», because you don’t have an emotional attachment with Caesar. You would tell me that I was mistaken. We would have had a rational debate. (By the way, Caesar was ruthless in war: he killed or enslaved a third of the population of Gaul. This does not take that he had many virtues)
But touch the Founding Fathers and people get offended and you get emotional reactions, because people are emotionally attached to the Founding Fathers. This is exactly what I wanted to provoke. It was easy. It is like if I attacked Jesus. But Jesus was the Son of God and the Founding Fathers were apes, like you, like me. I see it as a form of idolatry, produced by all the indoctrination you got in school about the Founding Fathers. The goal of this indoctrination is not to help conservatives, but to see them defeated forever, to keep them inside the reservation.
Don’t get me wrong. I am not better than you. I am not more rational than you. Of course, I also have my blind spots. I don’t know what they are. Somebody else can see them but not me. The same way, you, American people have this blind spot about the Founding Fathers, which is extremely difficult for you to see.
All the things that you find evil in America are the logical consequence of the ideas of the Founding Fathers. You revere the Declaration of Independence, which is simply an anti-Christian document, a document with Freemason ideas. RedJack (above) hit the nail on the head.
Let me put an example. When the Declaration of Independence says that «all men are created equal», we can discuss what the Founding Fathers wanted to say, but the fact that this is written and revered as a quasi-religious document is the origin of many things you see as evil.
If all men are created equal and African-American people have worse economic performance than whites, this means that the cause cannot be biology. The only cause is that white people are oppressing black people. So it is fair that the government stops this oppression. So the logical conclusion is affirmative action, affirmative discrimination, reparations for black people, tearing down statues of people that tolerated this oppression, all the American past is dark because it is a history of oppression, etc.
So you deplore all these things while revering the Declaration of Independence. So you accept the premise while denying the logical conclusions. You adore the American system of government and you have been that this system has been the one that has produced the society you deplore and abhor.
For example, the separation of Church and State means that the State must have another official religion, different from Christianity. Then this official religion starts replacing Christianity, first in the laws, then in the schools, then in the people. It is logical. You deplore that America is less and less Christian while revering the separation of Church and State.
Don’t you see that the things you revere are the ones that are enslaving you? The Founding Fathers built this anti-Christian prison you are living in. Then other people implemented their ideas until their logical conclusion. Now you see that people are getting worse and worse while revering this system that is oppressing you. You are like Jews that believe in the Nazi system and revere Hitler.
Look, I don’t care that you tell me that I am an ignorant, unworthy of debate. I know I am a sh*t., because I am a Christian and I am a sinner. I am not offended by you telling me how unworthy I am, my comment being the worse of the year. Ok, fair enough. But there is something bigger than me and bigger than you and it is the truth and Christ. Even if I am a sh*t, I can say the truth. Htiler said that the sky is blue: this does not make this statement false.
I only want you to think about what I have said, instead of shutting the mind because «debate is impossible with this guy» and I touch your nerves. I know that what I say is really uncomfortable for you but I say it because I think this is the weak point by which you have been enslaved. Since America is the leader of the world, this means that everybody else is enslaved too. Even if you see me as an unworthy worm, I am on your side, on the side of Christ (and the Virgin Mary and all the saints). Not on the side of Jefferson, Washington…these guys belong to the other side. Not because America should not be independent from Britain (it should) but because the ideas they used to create the American government.