{"id":4521,"date":"2020-11-25T16:14:55","date_gmt":"2020-11-25T16:14:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/?p=4521"},"modified":"2020-11-25T16:17:59","modified_gmt":"2020-11-25T16:17:59","slug":"going-underground-the-school-of-nice","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/2020\/11\/25\/going-underground-the-school-of-nice\/","title":{"rendered":"Going underground (the school of NICE)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>Taken from <a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a><\/div>\n<article id=\"post-24532\" class=\"post-24532 post type-post status-publish format-standard hentry category-uncategorized\">\n<header class=\"entry-header\">\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"entry-meta\"><a title=\"4:39 PM\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/\" rel=\"bookmark\"><time class=\"entry-date\" datetime=\"2020-10-14T16:39:59+00:00\">OCTOBER 14, 2020<\/time><\/a><span class=\"byline\">\u00a0BY\u00a0<span class=\"author vcard\"><a class=\"url fn n\" title=\"View all posts by JMSmith\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/author\/jmsmith57\/\" rel=\"author\">JMSMITH<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<h1 class=\"entry-title\"><span style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\">I see it was two years ago tomorrow that I posted<\/span><a style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2018\/10\/15\/retreat-or-route\/\">\u00a0a notice<\/a><span style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0of Handel\u2019s very long and trenchant\u00a0<\/span><a style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\" href=\"https:\/\/handleshaus.wordpress.com\/2018\/09\/10\/excerpts-and-discussion-of-rod-drehers-the-benedict-option\/\">review<\/a><span style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0of Rod Dreher\u2019s book,\u00a0<\/span><em style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\">The Benedict Option<\/em><span style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\">. \u00a0Well, Dreher has written a new book, Handel has written a\u00a0<\/span><a style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\" href=\"https:\/\/handleshaus.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/06\/review-of-rod-drehers-live-not-by-lies\/\">new review,<\/a><span style=\"font-size: 17px; font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0and I have written this new notice.<\/span><\/h1>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<p>Dreher\u2019s new book is called\u00a0<em>Live Not by Lies<\/em>\u00a0and, like\u00a0<em>The Benedict Option<\/em>, it aims to prepare Christians for persecution and life\u00a0<em>underground<\/em>. \u00a0Handel\u2019s new review (not so long but no less trenchant than the first) once again says, to quote Aragorn speaking to Frodo at the Prancing Pony:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u201cAre you frightened.\u201d<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u201cYes.\u201d<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u201cNot near frightened enough. I know what hunts you.\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It seems that a large part of Dreher\u2019s new book is devoted to description of underground Christians who survived Communist persecution behind the Iron Curtain, most especially in eastern Europe. \u00a0While this is certainly a story worth telling, Handel demurs against Dreher\u2019s telling of it on three counts. \u00a0The first count is that those who have survived hard totalitarianism have little to teach those who now face soft totalitarianism. \u00a0The second is that Dreher has a sentimental soft spot for the alleged aims of the Left. \u00a0The third is that he provides precious little in the way of practical advice to persons facing life underground.<\/p>\n<p>* * * * *<\/p>\n<p>You must read Handel to learn everything he has to say about soft totalitarianism, although some of it is relevant to Kristor\u2019s\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/13\/the-candidate-of-nice\/\">recent post<\/a>\u00a0on the prophetic power of Lewis\u2019s\u00a0<em>That Hideous Strength<\/em>. \u00a0In my view, the heart of that prophesy is that NICE will appear nice. \u00a0Unless, of course, you cross it, in which case it will turn very nasty indeed.<\/p>\n<p>As I explained in a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/09\/18\/rank-skullduggery-in-a-good-cause\/\">recent post<\/a>, soft totalitarianism wears a \u201chumanitarian mask.\u201d \u00a0I took the phrase from the Louisiana writer Charles Gayarr\u00e9, who used it in 1877 to discredit the moral pretensions of the triumphant northern states. \u00a0We find the same insight in the Southern writer Donald Davidson, who warned against,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cthe subtlest and most dangerous foe of humanity\u2014the tyranny that wears the mask of humanitarianism and benevolence\u201d*<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The tyranny of soft totalitarianism will appear to be nice. \u00a0NICE will appear nice, unless you cross it, and thereby reveal yourself as an enemy of all that is nice (and NICE). \u00a0In which case NICE will give you what you had coming.<\/p>\n<p>Handle explains that when NICE persecutes you for not being nice, you should not expect the consolations of a martyr who suffers the wrath of hard totalitarianism. \u00a0Indeed, a solution to the martyr problem is one of the great evolutionary adaptions of soft totalitarianism. \u00a0A dissident becomes a martyr when his punishment entails what we nowadays call the \u201cbad optics\u201d of apparent brutality. \u00a0Tank columns, prison camps, helicopter rides, show trials. \u00a0These instruments of hard totalitarianism crush dissidents, but they also create martyrs, and by creating martyrs they sow the dragon\u2019s teeth that sprout into more dissidents.<\/p>\n<p>But as Handel explains,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2018Soft\u2019 is totally different.\u00a0 People will still have choices, but if they choose \u2018wrong\u2019 in the eyes of the elites, then they will just be seen as weirdo losers and low-status pariahs, not martyrs.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Our own Bonald (whom Handle cites favorably) has often complained that the boundaries of forbidden speech are nowhere defined, but Handel explains that spurious freedom of speech is a tool of soft totalitarianism. \u00a0Under soft totalitarianism, freedom of speech is simply an invitation for mugs to publicly declare themselves \u201clow status pariahs.\u201d \u00a0Free speech is, in effect, the signup sheet for those who declare themselves deserving of \u201csocial consequences.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It is bad optics when a court of law sends a dissident author to the salt mines for writing that which is explicitly forbidden by law. \u00a0It is good optics for \u201csociety\u201d to deplatform and unemploy a dissident author who writes that which hurts and excludes some vulnerable and protected class of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/09\/24\/weepies-smirks-and-the-ordeal-of-classroom-civility\/\">weepies<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, NICE is nice to everyone who is nice. \u00a0And everyone who denies that NICE is nice gets what they have coming.<\/p>\n<p>* * * * * *<\/p>\n<p>Handle also demurs against Dreher\u2019s sentimental soft spot for the\u00a0alleged aims of the Left, not excluding the Bolsheviks and anarchists who took possession of the Russian state. \u00a0Dreher is therefore at least partly taken in by the \u201chumanitarian mask\u201d of the Left. \u00a0Thus he is alarmed and disgusted by the tyrannical abuses of Bolshevism, but nevertheless believes that Bolshevism began as a humanitarian response to the even more tyrannical abuses of Czarism.<\/p>\n<p>This is an example of the view, so common among conservatives, that Progressives have been right about everything, and conservatives have been wrong, until Progressives went too far just the week before last. \u00a0As I recently\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/02\/have-a-little-pride-show-a-little-spine\/\">wrote<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We should despise those \u201cconservatives\u201d who spinelessly admit that Progressives were essentially right about everything, from the regicide of Charles I, right down to whatever picayune thing got up their nose and made them \u201cconservative\u201d the week before last.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>* * * * *<\/p>\n<p>The subtitle of Dreher\u2019s book is \u201cA Manual for Christian Dissidents,\u201d but Handle tells us that this verges on false advertising because\u00a0<em>Live Not by Lies<\/em>\u00a0contains very little practical advice. \u00a0Indeed, he tells us that the book does not even embody the apparently practical advice of its title, since Dreher prudently omits to name the lies by which a Christian should not live.<\/p>\n<p>I daresay that this is because the lies by which we should not live are pretty lies,\u00a0<em>nice\u00a0<\/em>lies, lies it is gauche, boorish and unsociable to point out.<\/p>\n<p>But the bottom line for both Dreher and Handle is that Christians must prepare to live\u00a0<em>underground. \u00a0<\/em>Handle different from Dreher in believing that it may be too late for us to learn how to burrow, and that the surveillance system of our soft totalitarian state requires an altogether new sort of burrowing.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>*) Donald Davidson,\u00a0<em>The Attack on Leviathan: Regionalism and Nationalism in the United States\u00a0<\/em>(Chapel Hill: The University of North Carolina Press, 1938), p. 12.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"jp-post-flair\" class=\"sharedaddy sd-like-enabled sd-sharing-enabled\">\n<div class=\"sharedaddy sd-sharing-enabled\">\n<div class=\"robots-nocontent sd-block sd-social sd-social-icon-text sd-sharing\">\n<h3 class=\"sd-title\">Share this:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"sd-content\">\n<ul>\n<li class=\"share-twitter\"><a 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Bookmark the\u00a0<a title=\"Permalink to Going Underground\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">permalink<\/a>.<\/footer>\n<\/article>\n<nav id=\"nav-below\" class=\"site-navigation post-navigation\" role=\"navigation\">\n<h1 class=\"assistive-text screen-reader-text\">Post navigation<\/h1>\n<div class=\"nav-previous\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/13\/the-candidate-of-nice\/\" rel=\"prev\"><span class=\"meta-nav\">\u2190<\/span>\u00a0The Candidate of\u00a0NICE<\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"nav-next\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/15\/hopeless-sick-and-appalling-fear-or-the-meaning-of-hideous-strength\/\" rel=\"next\">Hopeless, Sick and Appalling Fear, or, The Meaning of \u2018Hideous\u00a0Strength\u2019\u00a0<span class=\"meta-nav\">\u2192<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/nav>\n<div id=\"comments\" class=\"comments-area\">\n<h2 class=\"comments-title\">29 thoughts on \u201cGoing Underground\u201d<\/h2>\n<ol class=\"commentlist\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147717\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-roostyscoot even thread-even depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147717\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-e8e8b1f401e61a06a7c2e0ee9243bcdd-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/2.gravatar.com\/avatar\/e8e8b1f401e61a06a7c2e0ee9243bcdd?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\"><a class=\"url\" href=\"http:\/\/timesdispatch.wordpress.com\/\" rel=\"external nofollow ugc\">Scoot<\/a><\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147717\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T17:11:11+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 5:11 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>I think \u201cGoing underground\u201d presupposes a hard totalitarianism. Soft Totalitarianism utilizes social pressure, and going underground accomplishes what the soft totalitarians want, which is to not be bothered by you anymore.<\/p>\n<p>I think soft totalitarianism requires more of a \u201ccoming out\u201d if you\u2019ll pardon the phrase. As you say, an open declaration of being a social pariah. A kind of \u201cI am spartacus\u201d whereby Christians declare both their intent to remain unapologetically christian and their lack of caring in what the soft totalitarians think. Far too many Christians are allowed to be \u201cChristian in name only\u201d because they are not required to name themselves. Going underground promotes this hiddenness, and in my opinion puts us closer to the rot which we acknowledge has infected certain elements of the Church, and definitely christendom. Remaining firm and declaring ones allegiance, to me, is the contrary action to soft totalitarianism because it forces the Christian to find his reasons for believing and then to hold to them publicly. This doesn\u2019t even have to be a romantic, dramatic sacrifice.\u00a0<em>Simply abstaining from meat on Friday<\/em>\u00a0is a radically foreign concept to most people.<\/p>\n<p>You point out that only in hard totalitarianism does this create martyrs, and in soft totalitarianism will only create pariahs. Deplatforming can and in some cases does have the \u201cbarbara streisand\u201d effect of amplifying a message they want extinguished. Going underground pre-emptively steals us away from open witness. Persistent low-status pariahs in sufficient numbers dares hard totalitarianism, which is the inevitable end of soft totalitarianism. A deplatformed individual can still talk to people, and if their thoughts are still thoughtcrimes then there\u2019s no reason not to deplatform them from reality.<\/p>\n<p>My point in all this is that Martyrs aren\u2019t possible to an underground-people. Martyrdom has it\u2019s place, you point out that it tends to multiply the number of dissidents. We shouldn\u2019t\u00a0<em>prefer<\/em>\u00a0martyrdom, but we shouldn\u2019t flee from it either. Survival will either require a new kind of burrowing, where Christians adapt themselves to being invisible in the modern age; or it will require a new kind of Faith, which is unapologetic and stares evil in the face.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147717#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147717\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147717\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to Scoot\" aria-label=\"Reply to Scoot\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147721\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor odd alt depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147721\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147721\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T17:33:24+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 5:33 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Let\u2019s say you were fired because you made coworkers uncomfortable with a frank affirmation of St. Paul\u2019s view of sex roles. What kind of support would you expect from the Church? Legal counsel? A couch to sleep on? Thoughts and prayers?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147721#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147721\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147721\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to JMSmith\" aria-label=\"Reply to JMSmith\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147722\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-roostyscoot even depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147722\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-e8e8b1f401e61a06a7c2e0ee9243bcdd-1\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/2.gravatar.com\/avatar\/e8e8b1f401e61a06a7c2e0ee9243bcdd?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\"><a class=\"url\" href=\"http:\/\/timesdispatch.wordpress.com\/\" rel=\"external nofollow ugc\">Scoot<\/a><\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147722\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T18:30:53+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 6:30 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Does the Church offer those things now? Of course there would be hardship\u2013that\u2019s kind of my point. We shouldn\u2019t seek out that kind of hardship, of course, but neither should we fear it; it helps knit a community closer together to take care of their own. Far from isolating individuals, I think it would drive like-minded Christians and Catholics together in a stronger community than we have now. There\u2019s an astonishing video on youtube of parishoners in France, some years ago, creating a battering ram to get inside a church whose doors had been boarded up. Targeting and isolating a community can strengthen that community\u2019s resolve.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147726\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor odd alt depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147726\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-1\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147726\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T19:50:34+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 7:50 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Yes, and hardship also reveals the true contours of community.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147728\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-dalejamesnelson even depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147728\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-31fff6c659aa18d299951e1a3a20cbe8-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/31fff6c659aa18d299951e1a3a20cbe8?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">dalejamesnelson<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147728\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T20:04:01+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 8:04 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Churches need to be prepared to offer financial help to people who lose their jobs under certain circumstances. What else did God provide them with money for anyway? : )<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147719\" class=\"comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147719\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-ae9f7ddba15354b88918c96ab1f96854-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/ae9f7ddba15354b88918c96ab1f96854?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Maus<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147719\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T17:22:48+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 5:22 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Aye, there\u2019s the rub. How to \u201cburrow\u201d in this new manner? Concrete tools and tactics. Retreat to small, rural communities of Benedicters might have been a viable option for progressively alienated transgressors of NICE before the regimen of COVID measures became ubiquitous, of obscure duration and apparently selective enforcement. But the kind of face-to-face-in-meatspace interaction necessary to foster trust and civic cooperation is now immeasurably more difficult to engender and sustain. Some may have the heroic fortitude to embrace solitude like modern day Desert Fathers; but many of us coping with isolation through the thin gruel of internet-mediated social relations have learned an abject lesson on the necessity of community and the pain of its loss. The ostracism of soft totalinarianism may not threaten us with the spilt blood of martyrdom, but it\u2019s as fearful a prospect as the cruelties of hard totalinarianism nonetheless.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147719#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147719\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147719\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to Maus\" aria-label=\"Reply to Maus\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147720\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor even depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147720\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-2\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147720\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T17:29:36+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 5:29 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Handle describes the way that martyrdom under the Soviets was made easier for the martyr because his suffering was admired by his community. If he was able to return to that community, it was as a hero. As you say, suffering in solitude is hard. Ostracism will break most men quicker than the lash.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147720#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147720\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147720\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to JMSmith\" aria-label=\"Reply to JMSmith\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147723\" class=\"comment odd alt thread-even depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147723\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-51900179f7fa7acc42b69fe27c8b1ff9-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/2.gravatar.com\/avatar\/51900179f7fa7acc42b69fe27c8b1ff9?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">The Defender<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147723\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T18:34:14+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 6:34 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>It is a strategic error to commit ourselves to any specific strategy. We need to protect ourselves; sometimes this requires fighting and other times it requires hiding. Sometimes becoming obvious and sometimes blending in. (Probably more of the latter.)<\/p>\n<p>The one imperative is protecting our people.<\/p>\n<p>I say this mainly because sometimes people become attached to one strategy or the other. We must be flexible.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147723#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147723\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147723\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to The Defender\" aria-label=\"Reply to The Defender\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147727\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor even depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147727\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-3\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147727\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-14T19:53:26+00:00\">October 14, 2020 at 7:53 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Good point. What works today will not always work tomorrow.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147727#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147727\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147727\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to JMSmith\" aria-label=\"Reply to JMSmith\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"post pingback\">Pingback:\u00a0<a class=\"url\" href=\"http:\/\/neorxn.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/\" rel=\"external nofollow ugc\">Going Underground | Reaction Times<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147740\" class=\"comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147740\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-3a115a2784b2f659a2fef878561d6dff-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/3a115a2784b2f659a2fef878561d6dff?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">info<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147740\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T07:50:16+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 7:50 AM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>All forms of persecution is survivable. But only one seems effective at seemingly stamping out Christianity at least in the East. That is wholesale massacre:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Guangzhou_massacre\" rel=\"nofollow ugc\">https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Guangzhou_massacre<\/a><\/p>\n<p>There was no cult of the martyrs there I know of because all Christians have apparently died. Except when it got reintroduced by Jesuits.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147740#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147740\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147740\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to info\" aria-label=\"Reply to info\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147745\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor even depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147745\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-4\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147745\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T10:50:13+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Persecution means to harry and chase. So I guess persecution is survivable. But, sooner or later, they catch you . . .<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147745#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147745\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147745\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to JMSmith\" aria-label=\"Reply to JMSmith\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147824\" class=\"comment odd alt depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147824\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-3a115a2784b2f659a2fef878561d6dff-1\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/3a115a2784b2f659a2fef878561d6dff?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">info<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147824\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-17T12:17:00+00:00\">October 17, 2020 at 12:17 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>@JMSmith<\/p>\n<p>It is divine providence that the persecutions in the Roman Empire isn\u2019t exterminationist in nature.<\/p>\n<p>And the Gospel is preserved in the European Context.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147749\" class=\"comment even thread-even depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147749\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-885ee5a03b1161fcb0ae814d75c6d8d2-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/2.gravatar.com\/avatar\/885ee5a03b1161fcb0ae814d75c6d8d2?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Scott in PA<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147749\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T16:41:45+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 4:41 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>I gave up on Dreher about a year ago after one-too-many virtue-signaling melt-downs over some Trump tweet. Also, Handel is more than right about his \u201csentimental soft spot\u201d for the aims of the left. Dreher stated that he voted for the Democratic governor of Louisiana, which hardly makes sense under any circumstance, especially considering Louisiana\u2019s two Republican Senators, who, like anyone, are merely mortal.<\/p>\n<p>Dreher\u2019s \u201csolutions\u201d of going underground, or Benedict Option type communities are no solutions at all, unless you\u2019re willing to consign the rest of your life to second-class citizen status.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m more convinced than ever that the only solution to NICE is Separation. A big undertaking no doubt, but one that offers more promise than acknowledging that the Dark Side cannot be overcome.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147749#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147749\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147749\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to Scott in PA\" aria-label=\"Reply to Scott in PA\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147750\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor odd alt depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147750\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-5\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147750\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T16:54:56+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 4:54 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Dreher\u2019s old Crunchy Con blog was one of the first things I read on the internet. Like Dreher, I am a man of conservative opinions but SWPL tastes, and I thought he could teach me how to balance these things. I came to the conclusion that he is a man of conservative tastes and SWPL opinions, although I know this isn\u2019t entirely fair. I don\u2019t think NICE will let anyone secede, and will justify violence against secession with humanitarian arguments. They will claim to be protecting the human rights of the women and children the secessionists propose to take with them. This is the argument liberalism uses to capture anyone who runs away from the plantation (fundamentalist Mormons, for instance).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147750#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147750\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147750\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to JMSmith\" aria-label=\"Reply to JMSmith\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147774\" class=\"comment even depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147774\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-629228d69e1bfe1ae9aabd4d59d66efe-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/629228d69e1bfe1ae9aabd4d59d66efe?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Zyn ski<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147774\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T22:24:49+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 10:24 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>The phrase \u2018Christian Diaspora\u2019 has been floating in my head for a few months now. It sure would be a turn of the wheel if the Church became an ethnicity.<\/p>\n<p>I just wish I knew how to advertise to the kindred spirits I pass on the sidewalk, or meet in the store, or chat with at the gym \u2013 when, as noted here, so much of speech has turned into mere gesture; and moreover, that the meaning of my words has been appropriated by the Beast. I am trying to set a good example to follow, but I crave an explicit community and I just cannot seem to find or formulate it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147775\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor odd alt depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147775\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-6\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147775\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T22:27:23+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 10:27 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>I think there are many who share your sense of isolation. The internet is great, so far as it goes, but it is no substitute for genuine community.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147785\" class=\"comment even depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147785\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-db86b91612eccf9354691f25ebb47d1b-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/db86b91612eccf9354691f25ebb47d1b?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">KB<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147785\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-16T03:45:29+00:00\">October 16, 2020 at 3:45 AM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Dreher did an article sometime in the last two years where he described an altercation he had with a male peer at some point during his adolescence. It was basically a scuffle that young Rod wasn\u2019t looking for and in the article he goes on about how adults in the room didn\u2019t jump in to stop the bullying on his behalf. We\u2019ve all had similar playground fights where you make the internal decision to either unleash the flashpoint and shove back or cower and look for a hero. Rod looked to the rails for a savior instead of making his stand. He\u2019s not a fighter. Probably a decent man. Maybe even a good one but not someone I\u2019d count on to lead me into battle.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147785#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147785\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147785\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to KB\" aria-label=\"Reply to KB\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147795\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor odd alt depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147795\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-7\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147795\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-16T11:52:43+00:00\">October 16, 2020 at 11:52 AM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Most writers are not fighters. They became bookworms and wordsmiths because they couldn\u2019t compete in bare-knuckels arena. There is some truth to the taunt that most writing is revenge for a wedgie received in the third grade.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147757\" class=\"comment even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147757\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-aa60e614d8b395caf97a37f919111d0e-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/aa60e614d8b395caf97a37f919111d0e?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Andrew E.<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147757\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T19:20:16+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 7:20 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Dreher being pushed underground, unable to be seen or heard may be part of God\u2019s plan.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147757#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147757\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147757\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to Andrew E.\" aria-label=\"Reply to Andrew E.\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147760\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor odd alt depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147760\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-8\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147760\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-15T19:28:01+00:00\">October 15, 2020 at 7:28 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>It will teach him that you\u2019ve got to eat everything they set out if you want to eat at the Progressive table. Good manners aren\u2019t enough. They don\u2019t accept picky eaters.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147760#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147760\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147760\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to JMSmith\" aria-label=\"Reply to JMSmith\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147788\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-bonald even thread-even depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147788\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-f19c27b1e0eaa130c07d321476587371-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f19c27b1e0eaa130c07d321476587371?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Bonald<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147788\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-16T06:04:35+00:00\">October 16, 2020 at 6:04 AM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Thanks for linking Handel\u2019s review. I agree that it is very good, probably more valuable than the book.<\/p>\n<p>Since I\u2019ve been an adult, I\u2019ve been attending churches that warned me that being a Catholic will often mean not going along with mainstream culture and being disliked for it. However, these same priests were usually very reluctant to say exactly what popular beliefs or practices we are meant to defy. When an example seemed to be demanded, they would mention general selfishness and consumerism, or the like. There\u2019s something to be said for speaking generally. Probably when priests preach this, they\u2019re thinking of people being tempted to participate in petty dishonesty, gossip, or drug abuse among a group of friends or coworkers, and in the past refusing to go along most often occurred in such contexts of small-group peer pressure. However, I think among the professional classes, such general entreaties do more harm than good. We\u2019re all encouraged to think of ourselves as vaguely non-conformist, with the media-academic establishment telling us in exactly what way we are to non-conform so as to win the esteem of our peers and to rebuke low-status people whom we\u2019ll probably never have to meet.<\/p>\n<p>From Dreher\u2019s blog, it\u2019s clear he knows what sort of attacks Christians are actually likely to face. (For example, he knows perfectly well that we\u2019re not likely to suffer for our brave stand against \u201cneoliberalism\u201d.) I won\u2019t accuse him of not mentioning specifics out of fear. I do wonder what sort of self-defense manual one can put together without discussing the enemy\u2019s specific lines of attack.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147788#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147788\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147788\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to Bonald\" aria-label=\"Reply to Bonald\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147800\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-dalejamesnelson odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147800\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-31fff6c659aa18d299951e1a3a20cbe8-1\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/31fff6c659aa18d299951e1a3a20cbe8?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">dalejamesnelson<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147800\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-16T15:12:09+00:00\">October 16, 2020 at 3:12 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Live Not by Lies is a good book, with many words of warning and encouragement to stand from Soviet-era dissidents who see the dangers of our own time and place. I\u2019m hoping pastors (among others) will read it and have bought copies for the pastors of a district in our area, one of them having decided that the book will be the topic of a pastors\u2019 monthly meeting that he will be hosting.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147800#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147800\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147800\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to dalejamesnelson\" aria-label=\"Reply to dalejamesnelson\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147802\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor even depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147802\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-9\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147802\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-16T15:29:46+00:00\">October 16, 2020 at 3:29 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>I may read it. I was accosted on my evening walk a month or so ago, by a man who said he is some sort of a minister. He said he thought he recognized me, although I think it was probably a case of mistaken identity. Whether he though I was me or someone else, he knew I was a professor, and he was eager to talk about cultural Marxism. He had apparently been reading things on the internet, and was in a rather agitated state of mind. I\u2019m not the guy to talk to if you want your mind to be put at ease on this question, so I agitated him a little more. The clergy need to adjust themselves and their flocks to the reality of post-Christian America. Not railing against it from the pulpit, but dispensing practical advice how to survive in it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147802#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147802\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147802\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to JMSmith\" aria-label=\"Reply to JMSmith\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-147817\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-bonald odd alt depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147817\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-f19c27b1e0eaa130c07d321476587371-1\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f19c27b1e0eaa130c07d321476587371?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Bonald<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147817\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-17T00:16:56+00:00\">October 17, 2020 at 12:16 AM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>The clergy\u2019s dilemma is that more than half of the congregation is already on the other side. The people in the pews is already too big a group to start with.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s a plan.<\/p>\n<p>Step 1: Decide what it would mean for a person to be \u201con our side\u201d. This is presumably some combination of beliefs and gut identification. It does not require personal courage or morality. A coward or porn addict on your side is still on your side.<\/p>\n<p>Step 2: Try to get a group of people on your side in one room. This is where the real step 1 can begin. One now has some community, however tiny, in which being on your side is high status. From there, the group can start thinking about ways to protect or expand itself.<\/p>\n<p>Probably, at a regular-size Catholic parish, one could find half a dozen or more people fully on the Catholic side (however this is defined), but currently there is no parish activity in which any such Catholic can know that he\u2019s surrounded by allies.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147827\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor even depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147827\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-10\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147827\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-17T14:13:47+00:00\">October 17, 2020 at 2:13 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Humans find it very hard to fake enthusiasm for people and ideas they dislike. They may feel compelled to clap and smile, but a spark of self-respect requires that they do this in a tired or ironical way. So to find people who are on our side, you should look for the people who are the first to stop clapping for some Progressive piety. Chances are that they do not have much in the way of positive doctrine, only a vague dislike for platitudes they are given. When you get them in that room, you give them the positive doctrine that explains why they dislike those platitudes. Radicalism grows by recruiting people with the potential to be radicalized. Reaction must work in the same way, with what today\u2019s slang calls \u201cred-pilling.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"li-comment-147879\" class=\"comment odd alt thread-even depth-1 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-147879\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-86dc0229d8ea4b9b3830385c898e5ed4-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/2.gravatar.com\/avatar\/86dc0229d8ea4b9b3830385c898e5ed4?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Magnus Stout<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-147879\"><time datetime=\"2020-10-18T13:36:55+00:00\">October 18, 2020 at 1:36 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Ironically, Mr. Dreher was one of the first to jump on the persecution bandwagon against a Christian minister in Louisiana who had the audacity to open his church doors in spite of the lockdowns. Rod is a card-carrying member of the republic of NICE. Rod\u2013like a broken clock\u2013is also occasionally right.<\/p>\n<p>At core, Rod lacks courage. Vox Day (despite his flaws) is very perceptive and wrote an insghtful piece about him as a \u201ccuckservative\u201d here:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/voxday.blogspot.com\/2019\/07\/the-gamma-never-grows-up.html\" rel=\"nofollow ugc\">http:\/\/voxday.blogspot.com\/2019\/07\/the-gamma-never-grows-up.html<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=147879#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"147879\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-147879\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to Magnus Stout\" aria-label=\"Reply to Magnus Stout\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-148576\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-gkummant even depth-2 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-148576\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-37ef23ae9612cb429c4d6e363322d22c-0\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/0.gravatar.com\/avatar\/37ef23ae9612cb429c4d6e363322d22c?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">Gabe Ruth<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-148576\"><time datetime=\"2020-11-11T21:19:24+00:00\">November 11, 2020 at 9:19 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Remember his initial response to the smirking white boys at the march for life? He recanted pretty quickly, but his gut reaction was that the boys were a disgrace the Christian community. A victim of misleading hot takes, but of course, but it does reveal an inordinate thirst for strange new respect.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"reply\"><a class=\"comment-reply-link\" href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/?replytocom=148576#respond\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-commentid=\"148576\" data-postid=\"24532\" data-belowelement=\"comment-148576\" data-respondelement=\"respond\" data-replyto=\"Reply to Gabe Ruth\" aria-label=\"Reply to Gabe Ruth\">Reply<\/a><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<ul class=\"children\">\n<li id=\"li-comment-148577\" class=\"comment byuser comment-author-jmsmith57 bypostauthor odd alt depth-3 highlander-comment\">\n<article id=\"comment-148577\" class=\"comment\">\n<footer>\n<div class=\"comment-author vcard\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"grav-1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db-11\" class=\"avatar avatar-50 grav-hashed grav-hijack\" src=\"https:\/\/1.gravatar.com\/avatar\/1075666907ad63c449131e7ecdbe23db?s=75&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=G\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><cite class=\"fn\">JMSmith<\/cite>\u00a0|\u00a0<span class=\"comment-meta commentmetadata\"><a href=\"https:\/\/orthosphere.wordpress.com\/2020\/10\/14\/going-underground\/#comment-148577\"><time datetime=\"2020-11-11T21:30:32+00:00\">November 11, 2020 at 9:30 PM<\/time><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<div class=\"comment-content\">\n<p>Men of the right are far too eager to seek atonement by denunciation of other men of the right. They feel an entirely unreciprocated obligation to police their own ranks for the benefit of the Left. Quisling is the name for such rats.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Taken from here OCTOBER 14, 2020\u00a0BY\u00a0JMSMITH I see it was two years ago tomorrow that I posted\u00a0a notice\u00a0of Handel\u2019s very long and trenchant\u00a0review\u00a0of Rod Dreher\u2019s book,\u00a0The Benedict Option. \u00a0Well, Dreher has written a new book, Handel has written a\u00a0new review,\u00a0and I have written this new notice. Dreher\u2019s new book is called\u00a0Live Not by Lies\u00a0and, like\u00a0The &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/2020\/11\/25\/going-underground-the-school-of-nice\/\" class=\"more-link\">Sigue leyendo <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Going underground (the school of NICE)<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4521","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-sin-categoria"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4521","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4521"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4521\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4522,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4521\/revisions\/4522"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4521"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4521"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthcounts.com\/blogtraducciones\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4521"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}